Thankfully our Canadian Women came through with the goods!!
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Jim said:
The Russians were lucky today, but the Olympics women's hockey is a joke. Some of the women's teams couldn't even skate. Next year Canada will kick major butt.
I didn't know you were such a sports fan! It is fantastic that the women won the gold medal.
There was criticism that Bertuzzi was on the team considering his actions and so it was quite curious that the first goal against them came because of a Bertuzzi penalty.
Glad to see you're still a blogger!
Trish said:
Jim, your comments just pushed sexism to the front burner. You effectively eliminated women as Canadians saying, "Next year Canada will kick major butt," when this year they already did in women's hockey.
Char said:
Hi Trysh,
I wish I could say that Jim is alone in his view but unfortunately it's not true. As you likely know, there are two views of male/female olympic hockey: those who, like Jim, believe that only mens' hockey is worthy of the olympics and those who, like my brother-in-law, (http://grizzlyslair.blogspot.com/2006/02/for-what-it-is-worth.html) embrace womens' hockey as the greater representative of the olympic spirit.
I think the fact that women won 16 of our 24 Canadian medals in Turino speaks to the true place of our female atheletes. That and the reality that members of the Canadian womens' team likely out-skate any male commenting on the "joke" of womens' olympic hockey.
Jim said:
The women's success just shows that the men's competitions are far more competitive. I could outskate any Canadian Olympic female hockey player with ease, and I'm not even nearly an Olympian. You guys are so bias being female yourselves. I'm truly being objective having watched 3 of the Olympic women's hockey games. They spoke for themselves.
Trish said:
Jim:
I could be wrong, but you sound pig-headed.
Jim said:
I don't appreciate being accused of being pig-headed just for being honest.
Arthur said:
Since Charlene posts so in frequently, I don't always check here and so I am kinda late putting in my two cents worth.
The Canadian women's team was by far the dominant team in the Olymics. Many of the other teams, in comparison, looked like they did not belong on the same ice. So in that regard, Jim, I'll grant you that it appeared that some of them couldn't skate.
It must also be remembered that the Canadian team spent a lot of time and effort to get where they did. They played against mens teams to gain strength and endurance. They practised their game plan over and over until they got it right. Their passing skills were testament to that.
Their dedication to their sport, their determination to win, in spite of the fact that they do not make the million dollar pay cheques that the men make is what impresses me the most. And you can bet that the level of play in womens' hockey will only get better and better because of the exploits of these women. They have set the bar and have inspired many other women to enter the game and emulate their heroes.
Having said that however, the Olympics is not the only venue for women to play hockey. I have watched a couple of other games outside of the Olympics, and I am still impressed with the finesse and style and speed of the game. Far more than most mens' hockey.
My original premise stands: In women's hockey there are far fewer goons deliberately trying to take out the opposition and do harm to their players. I can't think of one female version of Bertuzzi, can you? There is much more finesse and skill, less individual heroism, more team play, more pure love of the game.
It is easy for you to claim that you can outskate any Canadian Olympic Team Member, Jim, when there is little chance for you to prove it. I'd love to see you go up against any one of them and show us your mettle.
Since we are unlikely to ever see that happen, we will just have to allow you to shoot your pig-headed mouth off.
Joke, Jim. That was a joke. Don't have a cow, man, okay?
Jim said:
Obviously, this is a gang up on Jimmie post!
"They played against mens teams to gain strength and endurance." Arthur doesn't this confirm that men are better than women. Team Canada were thrown together at the last minute, which accounted for their poor showing this year, but at their worst they could easily smear any women's hockey team in the world. Even Peter says that women are the weaker vessel. That's why there are far fewer women goons!
Moooo
Arthur said:
"They played against mens teams to gain strength and endurance." Arthur doesn't this confirm that men are better than women?
No, it only confirms that men are naturally stronger physically, not necessarily better.
And all of the men's teams were thrown together at the last minute, not just the Canadians. Our team just wasn't committed to the task, and to put it plainly: They sucked.
According to my Strong's Concordance, "weaker" as used by Peter comes from a word pertaining to the earth, and has the connotation of "lower." This is a hierarchial term since at that time men were considered to be more important in society than women. Vine's expository dictionary suggests it is a compararative term concerning physical strength, and does not mean that men are "better," just stronger.
Take your pick, but to cite 1 Peter 3:7 accurately, it says that husbands are to "dwell with women with UNDERSTANDING, giving HONOUR to the wife, as to the weaker vessel, and as being heirs TOGETHER of the grace of of life, that your prayers be not hindered."
Now, like most men, I have trouble with the understanding part. But in general, I admire women a great deal because of their ability to multi-task and keep things together where men have trouble walking and chewing gum at the same time.
Of course, those are not the only attributes of women that I admire, but I'll say this: My wife is the best thing that ever happened to me and I don't care who knows it. Without her, I wouldn't be where I am today. She is one of God's greatest gifts to me, the others being my Mom and Jesus, not necessarily in that order.
Jim said:
Arthur:
Isn't it self-evident that physical strength in a sport like hockey makes for "better." Men can skate faster, shoot harder, deak with more finesse, hip check more powerfully, and fight with more braun. Any men's team could beat a woman's team, because they're better. There's no shame in it for women, but if they're going to play a man's game they shouldn't pretend to be better. The offer still stands. I could literally skate faster than any woman hockey player.
Yes, they are "heirs together" because men aren't better before God in salvation. There is impartiality, but men and women are not heirs together in skating, passing, shooting, hitting, fighting, and scoring.
Why do you deny your manhood by refusing to see the fact that while women are better in some things, physically men are way better than women are or ever will be. Just borrow a Doctor's musculature chart.
Char said:
Jim,
It's one thing to recognize that men and women differ physically. That is why many atheletic competitions are held by gender. It is a different thing entirely to make the statements you have above:
"Any men's team could beat a woman's team, because they're better." - not true
"There's no shame in it for women, but if they're going to play a man's game they shouldn't pretend to be better." - hockey is not a "man's" game. While the NHL is, at present, a male organization, hockey is played and enjoyed by both men and women. I believe that within 10 years we will see either an equivalent female league or that the NHL will be made up of both male and female players.
"I could literally skate faster than any woman hockey player." - really? please tell us what league(s) you have played in and at what level.
"Why do you deny your manhood by refusing to see the fact that while women are better in some things, physically men are way better than women are or ever will be." - There are plenty of women who are physically stronger than many (most) men. Female olympians are an excellent example. While most female olympians would not exceed male olympians in physical strength, the general population of men are not as physcially fit as either male or female olympic atheletes.
I encourage you to consider developing and articulating a more positive and respectful view of women.
Arthur said:
Jim,
"Brawn" does not equal "better" by any stretch of the imagination. Men rely on brawn in the NHL and the game has produced far too many Bertuzzi's because of it. The women's game is just as fast, but there is much more team play and finesse and precision passing.
Besides, comparing the two leagues is like comparing apples and oranges. Both are fruit and both are healthful for you. But is one better than the other? Depends what you are looking for, doesn't it?
In my opinion, I prefer women's hockey because I don't like the brawls and unnecessary roughness of the NHL. If I wanted to watch a fight, I'd go to a boxing match. Some of the greatest players in the NHL don't get into a single fight, and it is unfortunate that there has to be a goon around to protect them from the other goons. What has the game come to when we think it is okay for someone to deliberately end another player's career by smashing them over the head with a stick, or running them head-first into the boards?
Merely being able to skate faster does not make one a better player in either league. Put a speed-skater in a hockey game and he will flounder if he doesn't possess the other skills necessary to play hockey.
Yes, there are some things that I think men do better than women because they are, in general, more physically powerful than women. But there are many things women do better than men because they are more sensitive, or less likely to just rely one brute strength. (Again a generality.)
God made both men and women. And He made them to compliment each other. "Better" doesn't enter into it at all.
The Russians were lucky today, but the Olympics women's hockey is a joke. Some of the women's teams couldn't even skate. Next year Canada will kick major butt.
I didn't know you were such a sports fan! It is fantastic that the women won the gold medal.
There was criticism that Bertuzzi was on the team considering his actions and so it was quite curious that the first goal against them came because of a Bertuzzi penalty.
Glad to see you're still a blogger!
Jim, your comments just pushed sexism to the front burner. You effectively eliminated women as Canadians saying, "Next year Canada will kick major butt," when this year they already did in women's hockey.
Hi Trysh,
I wish I could say that Jim is alone in his view but unfortunately it's not true. As you likely know, there are two views of male/female olympic hockey: those who, like Jim, believe that only mens' hockey is worthy of the olympics and those who, like my brother-in-law, (http://grizzlyslair.blogspot.com/2006/02/for-what-it-is-worth.html) embrace womens' hockey as the greater representative of the olympic spirit.
I think the fact that women won 16 of our 24 Canadian medals in Turino speaks to the true place of our female atheletes. That and the reality that members of the Canadian womens' team likely out-skate any male commenting on the "joke" of womens' olympic hockey.
The women's success just shows that the men's competitions are far more competitive. I could outskate any Canadian Olympic female hockey player with ease, and I'm not even nearly an Olympian. You guys are so bias being female yourselves. I'm truly being objective having watched 3 of the Olympic women's hockey games. They spoke for themselves.
Jim:
I could be wrong, but you sound pig-headed.
I don't appreciate being accused of being pig-headed just for being honest.
Since Charlene posts so in frequently, I don't always check here and so I am kinda late putting in my two cents worth.
The Canadian women's team was by far the dominant team in the Olymics. Many of the other teams, in comparison, looked like they did not belong on the same ice. So in that regard, Jim, I'll grant you that it appeared that some of them couldn't skate.
It must also be remembered that the Canadian team spent a lot of time and effort to get where they did. They played against mens teams to gain strength and endurance. They practised their game plan over and over until they got it right. Their passing skills were testament to that.
Their dedication to their sport, their determination to win, in spite of the fact that they do not make the million dollar pay cheques that the men make is what impresses me the most. And you can bet that the level of play in womens' hockey will only get better and better because of the exploits of these women. They have set the bar and have inspired many other women to enter the game and emulate their heroes.
Having said that however, the Olympics is not the only venue for women to play hockey. I have watched a couple of other games outside of the Olympics, and I am still impressed with the finesse and style and speed of the game. Far more than most mens' hockey.
My original premise stands: In women's hockey there are far fewer goons deliberately trying to take out the opposition and do harm to their players. I can't think of one female version of Bertuzzi, can you? There is much more finesse and skill, less individual heroism, more team play, more pure love of the game.
It is easy for you to claim that you can outskate any Canadian Olympic Team Member, Jim, when there is little chance for you to prove it. I'd love to see you go up against any one of them and show us your mettle.
Since we are unlikely to ever see that happen, we will just have to allow you to shoot your pig-headed mouth off.
Joke, Jim. That was a joke. Don't have a cow, man, okay?
Obviously, this is a gang up on Jimmie post!
"They played against mens teams to gain strength and endurance." Arthur doesn't this confirm that men are better than women. Team Canada were thrown together at the last minute, which accounted for their poor showing this year, but at their worst they could easily smear any women's hockey team in the world. Even Peter says that women are the weaker vessel. That's why there are far fewer women goons!
Moooo
"They played against mens teams to gain strength and endurance." Arthur doesn't this confirm that men are better than women?
No, it only confirms that men are naturally stronger physically, not necessarily better.
And all of the men's teams were thrown together at the last minute, not just the Canadians. Our team just wasn't committed to the task, and to put it plainly: They sucked.
According to my Strong's Concordance, "weaker" as used by Peter comes from a word pertaining to the earth, and has the connotation of "lower." This is a hierarchial term since at that time men were considered to be more important in society than women. Vine's expository dictionary suggests it is a compararative term concerning physical strength, and does not mean that men are "better," just stronger.
Take your pick, but to cite 1 Peter 3:7 accurately, it says that husbands are to "dwell with women with UNDERSTANDING, giving HONOUR to the wife, as to the weaker vessel, and as being heirs TOGETHER of the grace of of life, that your prayers be not hindered."
Now, like most men, I have trouble with the understanding part. But in general, I admire women a great deal because of their ability to multi-task and keep things together where men have trouble walking and chewing gum at the same time.
Of course, those are not the only attributes of women that I admire, but I'll say this: My wife is the best thing that ever happened to me and I don't care who knows it. Without her, I wouldn't be where I am today. She is one of God's greatest gifts to me, the others being my Mom and Jesus, not necessarily in that order.
Arthur:
Isn't it self-evident that physical strength in a sport like hockey makes for "better." Men can skate faster, shoot harder, deak with more finesse, hip check more powerfully, and fight with more braun. Any men's team could beat a woman's team, because they're better. There's no shame in it for women, but if they're going to play a man's game they shouldn't pretend to be better. The offer still stands. I could literally skate faster than any woman hockey player.
Yes, they are "heirs together" because men aren't better before God in salvation. There is impartiality, but men and women are not heirs together in skating, passing, shooting, hitting, fighting, and scoring.
Why do you deny your manhood by refusing to see the fact that while women are better in some things, physically men are way better than women are or ever will be. Just borrow a Doctor's musculature chart.
Jim,
It's one thing to recognize that men and women differ physically. That is why many atheletic competitions are held by gender. It is a different thing entirely to make the statements you have above:
"Any men's team could beat a woman's team, because they're better." - not true
"There's no shame in it for women, but if they're going to play a man's game they shouldn't pretend to be better." - hockey is not a "man's" game. While the NHL is, at present, a male organization, hockey is played and enjoyed by both men and women. I believe that within 10 years we will see either an equivalent female league or that the NHL will be made up of both male and female players.
"I could literally skate faster than any woman hockey player." - really? please tell us what league(s) you have played in and at what level.
"Why do you deny your manhood by refusing to see the fact that while women are better in some things, physically men are way better than women are or ever will be." - There are plenty of women who are physically stronger than many (most) men. Female olympians are an excellent example. While most female olympians would not exceed male olympians in physical strength, the general population of men are not as physcially fit as either male or female olympic atheletes.
I encourage you to consider developing and articulating a more positive and respectful view of women.
Jim,
"Brawn" does not equal "better" by any stretch of the imagination. Men rely on brawn in the NHL and the game has produced far too many Bertuzzi's because of it. The women's game is just as fast, but there is much more team play and finesse and precision passing.
Besides, comparing the two leagues is like comparing apples and oranges. Both are fruit and both are healthful for you. But is one better than the other? Depends what you are looking for, doesn't it?
In my opinion, I prefer women's hockey because I don't like the brawls and unnecessary roughness of the NHL. If I wanted to watch a fight, I'd go to a boxing match. Some of the greatest players in the NHL don't get into a single fight, and it is unfortunate that there has to be a goon around to protect them from the other goons. What has the game come to when we think it is okay for someone to deliberately end another player's career by smashing them over the head with a stick, or running them head-first into the boards?
Merely being able to skate faster does not make one a better player in either league. Put a speed-skater in a hockey game and he will flounder if he doesn't possess the other skills necessary to play hockey.
Yes, there are some things that I think men do better than women because they are, in general, more physically powerful than women. But there are many things women do better than men because they are more sensitive, or less likely to just rely one brute strength. (Again a generality.)
God made both men and women. And He made them to compliment each other. "Better" doesn't enter into it at all.