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		<title>By: David Cooke</title>
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		<dc:creator>David Cooke</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 15 Nov 2009 14:49:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>A friend emailed me to say thanks for posting a link here. He is a Pastor in Toronto and he and a couple of his friends found your post very thought-provoking. Thought you might like to know. Grace and peace, David</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>A friend emailed me to say thanks for posting a link here. He is a Pastor in Toronto and he and a couple of his friends found your post very thought-provoking. Thought you might like to know. Grace and peace, David</p>
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		<title>By: Caedmon</title>
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		<dc:creator>Caedmon</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 12 Nov 2009 19:05:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Single biggest thing is that we need to talk about it. Even if the nature is material, the Deceiver is going to add a spiritual component to the problem by convincing us we can&#039;t talk about it, that it&#039;s a shameful problem, that people will stop loving us if they know the truth, and so on.

The protestant church has developed a serious denial of problems. We - clergy and laity - think we can&#039;t talk about what&#039;s wrong in our lives because we fear being judged by one another so much. At some point, we need to learn to start sharing honestly so that we can hold one another up. This alone might not solve all the problems, but will go a long way toward opportunity for healing.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Single biggest thing is that we need to talk about it. Even if the nature is material, the Deceiver is going to add a spiritual component to the problem by convincing us we can&#8217;t talk about it, that it&#8217;s a shameful problem, that people will stop loving us if they know the truth, and so on.</p>
<p>The protestant church has developed a serious denial of problems. We &#8211; clergy and laity &#8211; think we can&#8217;t talk about what&#8217;s wrong in our lives because we fear being judged by one another so much. At some point, we need to learn to start sharing honestly so that we can hold one another up. This alone might not solve all the problems, but will go a long way toward opportunity for healing.</p>
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		<title>By: Paul Johnston</title>
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		<dc:creator>Paul Johnston</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 11 Nov 2009 16:50:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Sorry about the spelling, Shelly.</description>
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		<title>By: Paul Johnston</title>
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		<dc:creator>Paul Johnston</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 11 Nov 2009 16:49:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;ll take a whack at it Shelley. Does your denomination offer an ongoing spiritual/retreat type program for it&#039;s ministers?  (Is that what you imply by the term sabbatical leave?) Does it have a Charasmatic component to it&#039;s ministry?

Perhaps a  more frequent spiritual  infilling could be one answer to the problem of pastor burn out.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;ll take a whack at it Shelley. Does your denomination offer an ongoing spiritual/retreat type program for it&#8217;s ministers?  (Is that what you imply by the term sabbatical leave?) Does it have a Charasmatic component to it&#8217;s ministry?</p>
<p>Perhaps a  more frequent spiritual  infilling could be one answer to the problem of pastor burn out.</p>
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		<title>By: Theresa Beach</title>
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		<dc:creator>Theresa Beach</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 10 Nov 2009 13:47:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This article was suggested to me by a friend. Thank you for writing it - we do need to talk about this issue more.

I think that the spouses of those in ministry have a role to play. My husband is a Youth Director, and often on the drive home from our regular meeting he talks about how he feels he has failed that night. Its my place to encourage him (not falsely) about the night. I point out what went really well and some of the small joys of the evening. I also try to encourage him about where he might be able to improve and where we might be able to make some positive changes. For any person who is married to someone in vocational ministry, I think its important to truly be a partner.  A big part of the &quot;job&quot; is to encourage our spouses. I consider it a blessing to share the burden of ministry with my spouse. 

Sometimes this is easier said than done, and spouses can become burnt out by ministry as well. So it is equally important to have support outside of your marriage from people with whom you can be brutally honest.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This article was suggested to me by a friend. Thank you for writing it &#8211; we do need to talk about this issue more.</p>
<p>I think that the spouses of those in ministry have a role to play. My husband is a Youth Director, and often on the drive home from our regular meeting he talks about how he feels he has failed that night. Its my place to encourage him (not falsely) about the night. I point out what went really well and some of the small joys of the evening. I also try to encourage him about where he might be able to improve and where we might be able to make some positive changes. For any person who is married to someone in vocational ministry, I think its important to truly be a partner.  A big part of the &#8220;job&#8221; is to encourage our spouses. I consider it a blessing to share the burden of ministry with my spouse. </p>
<p>Sometimes this is easier said than done, and spouses can become burnt out by ministry as well. So it is equally important to have support outside of your marriage from people with whom you can be brutally honest.</p>
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		<title>By: Shelly</title>
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		<dc:creator>Shelly</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 10 Nov 2009 04:26:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thank you for a timely blog.  Lately, I have come to dread Monday mornings because all the stats from the weekend hit my desk:  attendance, giving, comment cards and prayer concern cards.  After 20 plus years on the job, I&#039;ve come to find Mondays a pretty desolate place.    Good to remember that I am not alone in this feeling.  Also reminds me that I should take my District Superintendent advise and arrange for my long overdue and first ever sabbatical leave.  Let&#039;s keep this conversation going.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thank you for a timely blog.  Lately, I have come to dread Monday mornings because all the stats from the weekend hit my desk:  attendance, giving, comment cards and prayer concern cards.  After 20 plus years on the job, I&#8217;ve come to find Mondays a pretty desolate place.    Good to remember that I am not alone in this feeling.  Also reminds me that I should take my District Superintendent advise and arrange for my long overdue and first ever sabbatical leave.  Let&#8217;s keep this conversation going.</p>
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		<title>By: Paul Johnston</title>
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		<dc:creator>Paul Johnston</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 09 Nov 2009 19:39:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Yes, Darryl certainly a very wise and prudent qualification with regard to clinical depression.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yes, Darryl certainly a very wise and prudent qualification with regard to clinical depression.</p>
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		<title>By: Darryl</title>
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		<dc:creator>Darryl</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 09 Nov 2009 17:16:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Great comments.

I have one caution. A pastor friend of mine went through a severe period of depression. At first he diagnosed it as a spiritual problem. Things only got worse. He came to realize that his depression had a physical component, and he went under a doctor&#039;s care and became gradually became better. This also took away some of the guilt that he wasn&#039;t spiritual enough to avoid depression.

Not all depression and discouragement is due to a lack of abiding in Christ. Probably a lot is due to this, but some can be attributed to other causes. If a pastor is experiencing clinical depression, we need to be careful not to make him feel that he has failed spiritually.

By the way, I was really encouraged to hear Haddon Robinson say that discouragement is part of preaching. Even as we abide, we&#039;ll likely be a bit depleted and discouraged at times.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Great comments.</p>
<p>I have one caution. A pastor friend of mine went through a severe period of depression. At first he diagnosed it as a spiritual problem. Things only got worse. He came to realize that his depression had a physical component, and he went under a doctor&#8217;s care and became gradually became better. This also took away some of the guilt that he wasn&#8217;t spiritual enough to avoid depression.</p>
<p>Not all depression and discouragement is due to a lack of abiding in Christ. Probably a lot is due to this, but some can be attributed to other causes. If a pastor is experiencing clinical depression, we need to be careful not to make him feel that he has failed spiritually.</p>
<p>By the way, I was really encouraged to hear Haddon Robinson say that discouragement is part of preaching. Even as we abide, we&#8217;ll likely be a bit depleted and discouraged at times.</p>
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		<title>By: Paul Johnston</title>
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		<dc:creator>Paul Johnston</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 09 Nov 2009 17:00:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Perhaps a contemplative approach to God and faith would be of asset to those who Pastor. As both George and Ingrid point to, self attachments sound to be as much a part of the problem as the character and quality of the ministry itself.

 The works of Thomas Murton, St. John of the Cross or St. Theresa of Avila might offer insight. My intuition is that pastors, by nature of what they do are called to a level of holiness, through relationship, that exceeds the understanding and experience of those to whom they minister.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Perhaps a contemplative approach to God and faith would be of asset to those who Pastor. As both George and Ingrid point to, self attachments sound to be as much a part of the problem as the character and quality of the ministry itself.</p>
<p> The works of Thomas Murton, St. John of the Cross or St. Theresa of Avila might offer insight. My intuition is that pastors, by nature of what they do are called to a level of holiness, through relationship, that exceeds the understanding and experience of those to whom they minister.</p>
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		<title>By: Ingrid</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ingrid</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 09 Nov 2009 14:02:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi Darryl, 
I have heard so much about the Monday blues for Pastors.  My pre-decessor advised me never to quit on a Monday and warned about the crash that I would experience once I was in his role.
I am the Lead Pastor and preach most Sundays (and before that I taught weekly bible classes for about 12 years) but I have to say that I don&#039;t get the Monday blues at all.  
I do sense the ebb and flow, that weekly rhyhm as everything builds up to a Sunday and where every Monday is back to square zero - a new start.  But far from depressing, I consider each Monday just that - a new start.  Some Sundays are a home run, others are a flop - either way, next week is a brand new week.
I personally take Mondays off - to cleanse my palate between church weeks - and I love Mondays.  I go to the gym, I read, I intentionally waste time, I try not to meet with people or spend too much time on the computer (today must be an exception :) - it is my quiet day and it is a great day for me.
I agree with George&#039;s comment above - as long as it is about me and my performance - failure is inevitable.  As long as I am just an empty glove waiting for Christ to fill me and do his work - personal &quot;failure&quot; cannot really come into play.
...but I could be wrong...ask me in 20 years,
grace &amp; peace,
Ingrid</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi Darryl,<br />
I have heard so much about the Monday blues for Pastors.  My pre-decessor advised me never to quit on a Monday and warned about the crash that I would experience once I was in his role.<br />
I am the Lead Pastor and preach most Sundays (and before that I taught weekly bible classes for about 12 years) but I have to say that I don&#8217;t get the Monday blues at all.<br />
I do sense the ebb and flow, that weekly rhyhm as everything builds up to a Sunday and where every Monday is back to square zero &#8211; a new start.  But far from depressing, I consider each Monday just that &#8211; a new start.  Some Sundays are a home run, others are a flop &#8211; either way, next week is a brand new week.<br />
I personally take Mondays off &#8211; to cleanse my palate between church weeks &#8211; and I love Mondays.  I go to the gym, I read, I intentionally waste time, I try not to meet with people or spend too much time on the computer (today must be an exception <img src='http://www.DashHouse.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' />  &#8211; it is my quiet day and it is a great day for me.<br />
I agree with George&#8217;s comment above &#8211; as long as it is about me and my performance &#8211; failure is inevitable.  As long as I am just an empty glove waiting for Christ to fill me and do his work &#8211; personal &#8220;failure&#8221; cannot really come into play.<br />
&#8230;but I could be wrong&#8230;ask me in 20 years,<br />
grace &amp; peace,<br />
Ingrid</p>
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